Sunday, October 11, 2009

3-pronged China attack

The RSS has demanded that the government immediately reclaim the territory annexed by China in the western sector and ask Beijing to honour the McMahon Line as the international border in the manner it had done with Myanmar.

In a resolution passed by the central working committee on the first day of its session in Rajgir, Bihar, the Sangh alleged that China had deployed “three Es” — “engagement, encirclement and encouragement of our enemies” — as weapons to “harass” India.

“They have developed Coco Islands Listening Post in south Myanmar into a full-fledged military base. They are building a commercial port in Sri Lanka while the Gwadar military port in the Sindh province of Pakistan built by them is ready for operations. They are using Bharat-Tibet (the RSS never says India) border for military provocation while the Bharat-Myanmar border is being used by them to support the terrorist and anti-national elements in the Northeast. They even started talking about the dismemberment of Bharat,” it said.

The RSS said India’s response to the “acts of aggression” was “grossly inadequate”. “It is unfortunate that our response to the bullying tactics of the countries around us has always been lacklustre. Except for the historic decision of providing asylum to the Dalai Lama, our handling of the Tibetan question has all along been a series of blunders, ending up in practically endorsing Chinese annexation of that sovereign and independent country,” the resolution charged.

Territorial encroachments apart, the RSS blamed the Centre’s “pussyfooting” for alleged diplomatic failures. The resolution said China “successfully” raked up the Arunachal issue with the Asian Development Bank to scuttle India’s attempts to raise loans for the state’s development and unsuccessfully tried to prevent the Nuclear Suppliers Group from lifting sanctions against India.

The resolution also noted how China had been issuing visas on separate pieces of paper to residents of Arunachal Pradesh and Kashmir. “Through this provocative act, they want to show that they don’t recognise Arunachal and Kashmir as integral parts of Bharat,” it said.

19 comments:

If this is truely the view of the Indian people I must say that I am amused.
At least the media is creating a lot of China bashing, and accusing it of encircling India.
What Indian media (and most media around the world for that matter) doesn't mention is that India is part of the US's larger encirclement of China.

Sadly, there is no right or wrong in this border dispute, India upholds the Macmahon line as international boundaries, China cries that it's illegal and rejects it.

But it would be helpful if Indian media didn't confuse and blur the matter so much, their recent works have done little but to point fingers and increase blood pressures.

Sadly or happily, the Indian media doesn't work to an agenda unlike in Commie socities of which China is the lone (?) represenatative presently. They report what the editors percieve is the factual position. And one or couple of editors can certainly misinterepret or confuse the writing on the wall but to expect that the majority (including free world media) would fall for it is stretching things too far. The only way you can assume such a thing is if you happen to be an aspiring politbureau member.

Presently India doesn't have the capability or the resources to take on China and so unneceesary undertaking acts that could spiral into a wider conflgaration is simply not on. However, the same cannot be said of China though.

But to avoid a needless confrontration does not mean not standing up against intimidation.
The sooner China understands that, the better for everybody. And, I for one think Chinese are good learners (remember the pasting in the short Sino-Vietnam war.)

It is India who intimidates China. Read this:

http://www.gregoryclark.net/redif.html

Note that the area of so called Anarchral Pradesh (previously known as NEFA, NorthEast Frontier Agency by British India) was in dispute from day one, when independent India doesn't even exist. What makes India feel she is entitled to this colonial spoil?

On every aspect, legally, historically, culturally, religiously, racially, ethnically, China's claim on Zang Nan (South Tibet) is very strong. As late as in the 1950s, the monastary in Tawang is still paying tax to Lhasa!

That Zang Nan (South Tibet) and Tibet at large is an integral part of China is not a Communist thing. I know the Indian people want to make it out to be. Go to Taiwan or Hong Kong and ask anybody there. The Taiwanese and Hong Kong people cannot be brainwashed by Commnunist propaganda. Can't they?

What claim does china have on tibet ? China simply takes what it can and then doctors up any claim it can make. China certainly does not care are the aspirations of the people in tibet or arunachal. For a thug like china is kept at bay only by the gun, as vietnam has shown. Anything less and they will lay claim to every squre in on earth ...

Eric Z,

Being of impressionable age, you do not how devious the Chinese are. Being in NZ, you are far away from them. But look at your own eceonomy and see how they have hurt local business with the fakes manufactured in China.

Only, when they hurt you will you understand the pain.

They are now busy exterminating minorities in their own countries (minorities like Muslims, Buddhists and Christians).

They believe in Hitler's concept of MASTER RACE, the master race being the HAN Chinese.

Last anonymous poster, tell me what from the Chinese government or whatever moves they have done gives you the impression that they are fascist, that they believe the Han people are the master race? Give me any real tangible evidence that they're setting up concentration camps or equivalents, which prompt you to give such a damning observation. Ethnic minorities get previliges, like being allowed to have more than one child, a right which the Han people do envy. How does that go with your implied genocide theory?

(Also, it is true that China does make fakes, but they're cheap and for low end consumers. High end consumers would take in the genuine i pods and playstations and mobile phones that China makes. You can say it hurts "local businesses", but isn't that what companies are? They work to get the largest part of the market, and in this case it's the international market. If you really think there's "pain" caused, you may as well be blaming 19th century imperial colonists and eventual globalisation)
How has China been so very devious?

For the second to last anonymous poster, my god do you seriously believe that China wants world domination? That seems to be what you are suggesting. Most of it's foreign policy is laying claim to territory which it believes is rightfully theirs. There's no right or wrong, and it's perfectly justified, just as how India is perfectly justified in claiming South Xinjiang, which is called Aksai Chin. And Taiwan actually claims more land than China currently does, it includes practically all of Mongolia.

To Munna Bhai, I certainly don't have an agenda to go to the politburo (what gives you that impression?), but a lot of India's media in the past few months have really been vigorous in thinking China's going to invade them and that they should put more cash into the military.
Tell me, how is China intimidating India?
You overthink India's importance in China's foreign policy. Taiwan and the east of China is far more important and have admittedly intimidated Taiwan far more than India.

Look my basic argument is that the whole territorial dispute is justified for both sides, which I think we should all accept. But you have to admit that Indian media recently have done a lot of drumming up of blood pressures against China regardless of whether it's justified or not.
You don't have to answer to my previous arguments before this paragraph, but I would be grateful if you can say a simple yes or a no to whether you think Indian media lately has been raising tensions somewhat.

PS: If we're going to continue this thread I would appreciate it if people didn't disregard my arguments because of my "impressionable age", as well as the fact that I live in NZ (which has been good in that it gives me a less biased view on matters about China).

@ Eric Z:

Dont worry, your comments find readers like me who really appreciate such a frank and rational line of thought.

@ Anon/5:59 am

The RSS is a political Hindu organisation, which, at least in my POV and judging from their legal and political history, can be considered radical.

In any case its always helpful to actually see the source and base some judgement of the content going from there. This is not some "independent" media piece, but a very political statement. Frankly I fail to see its relevance for this blog and wonder why it has been put up.

Thank you Para, good to know that my argument is seen by some people to be at least rational. :)

Asian Defence, I agree with para's view on why such a political article is on a defence blog.
I think, that future overly political articles should be omitted in future, to avoid huge flame war/discussions like these (but I will take responsibility for starting this one if need be).
Placing such a political article does slightly degrade the quality of quite a highly respected defense news blog like this one.

Welcome comments by RSS, happy to see some political party's really have some patriotic thinking on motherland .
Tibet itself not belongs to china , how come they are are claiming for arunachal which is part of india . China should go away from kashmir/Tibet , which is forcefully / illegally captured by dragons .

If china gives paper visas to peoples of arunachal /kashmir , india need to issue same kind of paper type special visas to Tibet & Xinjiang , and india should not accept these places are belongs to china .

India need to have strong base in Vietnam . India need to practically strengthen foreign policy .

NJS said...

"India need to have strong base in Vietnam . India need to practically strengthen foreign policy ."

So Vietnam's a part of India now is it? Vietnam's perfectly capable of taking care of itself without Indian interference. They managed to drive off the French and the Americans, so do you really think that Vietnam needs India to butt in when India can't even take care of its own house properly (ie Pakistan)?

PS. feel free to issue seperate Visas for Xinjiang and Tibet. You'll just end up being more of a laughing stock of the world since everyone else (even India) recognises Xinjiang and Tibet as a part of China, while the UN recognises Kashmir and Arunachal Pradesh as disputed territories, hence why China is issuing special visas to people coming from those areas. The moment those areas are unanimously recognised as Indian territory by the international community (ie not just because India says it is) then I'm sure China will issue the appropriate visas for them. If not, then it would be China who would be the laughing stock of the world instead of India.

Yes Vietnam can take care of itself , vietnam already given a strong kickback to china in Sino-vietnam war, ( China has lost 20,000 solders )that's made dragons returned to their home land .
India need sea route base near to china yes vietnam is the right spot .

To Anon @ 4:18 am
According to india ,china/pak are same , both of them are very dangerous neighbors not only to india also to the peaceful of asia.as of india we never forget 1962 , china should feel the same kind of pain either by india or by USA(for Taiwan) .
I really think the 2 nd one will do it perfectly.

You think china is cleverly encircling india , but US is already encircled Dragons, the fall of dragon is very near.

"India need sea route base near to china yes vietnam is the right spot ."

Why exactly does India need a sea route base near China? China needs one in the Indian Ocean because they need to make sure their shipping from the Middle East and Africa is secure just in case something unforseen happens (like a very highly unlikely war with India). Does India need the same thing in the South China Sea? I thought that India wants to minimise trade with China, so it doesn't make sense to establish a base that would help strengthen that trade. If India is worried about China blocking Indian shipping from Japan or South Korea just in case there is a war, don't you think Japan and South Korea are more capable of making sure that their trade with India doesn't get affected? Any naval presence India establishes in the South China Sea would be just a waste and drain of its resources.

Also good luck trying to establish a naval base in Vietnam, I'm sure the Vietnamese wouldn't like that too much as it would mean India probably would have had to take it forcefully since I doubt Vietnam would be open to a foreign power establishihng a military base in its soveriegn territory.

"You think china is cleverly encircling india , but US is already encircled Dragons, the fall of dragon is very near."

Only Indians think that China is encircling India. All the Chinese care about now is making money and what India sees as "encirclement" is just China setting up infrastructure so that they can make making money easier for them in the not too distant future.

Take the Gwadar port. India sees it as a military base, but its actual purpose is to one day become a terminus for commerce in grain, oil etc for China's western provinces since it would save time, as shipping wouldn't need to go all the way to and from the eastern coast of China. Same thing for the port facilities being built in Burma. I find it funny how India sees these commercial ventures as threats, it just goes to show how petty and green-eyed some people can get.

To,
'''I'm sure the Vietnamese wouldn't like that too much as it would mean India probably would have had to take it forcefully '''.

Forcefully taking/encircling/interested in other's land is the style of china not india.


To,
'''Only Indians think that China is encircling India. All the Chinese care about now is making money and what India sees as "encirclement" is just China setting up infrastructure so that they can make making money easier for them in the not too distant future.

Take the Gwadar port. India sees it as a military base, but its actual purpose is to one day become a terminus for commerce in grain, oil etc for China's western provinces since it would save time, as shipping wouldn't need to go all the way to and from the eastern coast of China. Same thing for the port facilities being built in Burma. I find it funny how India sees these commercial ventures as threats, it just goes to show how petty and green-eyed some people can get.'''

so the new name of military base is called commercial base. so if any country dealing to have business with other country they need to create a base like this , ok that's what USA has created many military bases in Japan/ South Korea / Taiwan . ( no it should be taken as commercial base)

Maybe Chinese people are deluded, but I see alot of evidence on internet by english speaking Indians constantly defending their nation with zeal. Do you get paid for unquestioning defending nation?

Why do u want to earn some money?

our zeal to defend our country in forums springs out of love of our nation brother not base motives of making money as u seem to think.

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